Posts Tagged ‘online dating’

Meeting Women On Match.com in 2012

Tuesday, April 10th, 2012

When I first started online dating in 2008,  I basically totally ripped Dave M’s game, borrowing his insider internet dating email template and profile and tweaking it to my needs. It was crazy effective, and because of the template approach I was able to easily send 20 emails in 30 minutes, getting 4+ responses from that on a regular basis.

For those of you who don’t know, that first response is somewhat of a wildcard; like approaching in person, there is no perfect approach, and no one can go 5 for 5 on a regular basis. That said, once a girl responds to you, you should be getting her number upwards of 80% of the time, and if you have time and you’re text game is good, there is no reason why 80+ percent of those numbers can’t convert to dates.

Back to 2008 for a second, because back then, the top of my dating funnel was full, but I was still learning how to bring girls through the funnel in a way that would lead to sex. Initially, I would get them on AIM first, figuring that they needed to have a conversation with me before meeting, and I was insecure about my phone voice. This approach had pros and cons to it. It made it extremely easy to get deep with a girl, especially if you got her into an AIM conversation around bedtime, often leading to cybersex, phone sex, nudie pictures and quick sex when I finally did get her out. On the other end, the conversion rate was quite low, and it would take up a lot of time to have these types of conversations, time that once I was gainfully employed I just didn’t have.

For the next three years, I took the opposite approach. I figured, my game is tight enough that I should just focus on getting them out and working my magic in person over drinks. This had mixed results. I had a lot of dates that led second dates and/or sex, but I also had a lot of dates that went nowhere. If the goal was to get good at going on blind dates, I probably achieved that, but obviously that wasn’t the goal. The goal was to start sexual relationships with women, and for this, my approach was just too inconsistent and inefficient. It was expensive, time consuming, and just involved kissing too many frogs.

Recently, in reflecting on this history, it became apparent that I needed to build more interest before going out with women, but in a way that is not a time suck for me. I needed to find a way to get just enough emotional investment going that the dates became layups, not three-pointers. Of course, the obvious answer was text, both because it is the primary form of communication in 2012 and because it shares a lot of the advantages of AIM. The problem is that it is just too easy to set up dates via text, and if you want to build the level of emotional investment that we’re talking about, you are going to need at least 40-100 text messages spread out over the course of at least a week to get there.

Alright, enough background. Let’s get into the meat of this thing. The following represents my most successful online dating method to date. I am not going to make any promises as to whether it will work for you, but this is exactly what I have been doing for the last two months, and it has been wildly successful.

 

Strategy

Profile

-          Imagine yourself as a character in a movie. Your whole profile should be set up to convey what that character is like

-          Use at least 5 pictures, and keep it under 10. Don’t just throw on pictures for the sake of it, select your pictures to carefully tell a story about you. If you have two pictures that are similar, pick the better one

-          Your headline can be either an obscure movie quote that is not going to be on anyone els’es profile,

-          Have at least one picture in a sharp suit, and at least one social picture with multiple people in it, including women.

-          Have one action photo in some kind of athletic pursuit, and if you’re in good shape, this is a good opportunity to not have a shirt on. Generally the no shirt pic is a bad idea, but if you’re surfing or jumping up to spike a volley ball or something like that, it’s good as long as you look good without your shirt on.

-          Here’s a general format you can borrow, each representing a paragraph: 1) short personality description 2) what I do for fun 3) what I’m passionate about 4) what I am looking for in a relationship 5) call to action

-          You’ve got to convey personality in your profile. The absolute worst thing you can do is try to be generic. Don’t apologize for who you are. Intentionally put in things that will turn off girls you’re not interested in, and draw in girls who are.

-          Offhandedly mention your Myers-Briggs type, especially if you’re interested in professional women who have probably had it done at their job. It’s like astrology for rational people.

-          Include hooks in your profile that women can easily latch onto and ask you about. Compare yourself to one or more famous people (e.g. I’m kind of a cross between Ted Danson and Tony Hawk)

-          Stick to the 1,500-3,000 character range. Less than that and it’s just going to seem like you suck, more and it’s too long. My current profile is just over 2,300 characters.

-          Fill in the favorite things section with books, tv shows, music and movies

-          Leave any other profile fields blank if they’re not going to help you paint the image you want to paint

 

Emailing

-          Most girls can read and send emails. If you are not getting your emails responded to, it’s because the women you’re emailing don’t want to respond to you. Don’t believe me? Sign up for the read notifications and see for yourself.

-          Come up with a creative subject line and just use it over and over again. The only purpose of a subject line is to get the email opened ahead of a sea of “hey” emails. The subject line doesn’t have to have anything to do with your email, though if a creative one comes to mind as you’re writing the email feel free to use it instead.

-          Timing matters. The absolute easiest thing to do is just send out 2-5+ emails a day, every day. Sort by newest first and just be one of the first people into her inbox. If you have time and are feeling motivated, feel free to sort by last activity and email others, but know that you will be running into higher standards and more attention seeking behavior. Get to her before other dudes have jaded her.

-          I highly recommend taking a personalized approach to your emailing. One short 3-5 sentence paragraph is all you need. Your two major techniques here are relating and color commentary. Relating is like “Oh, you have X experience? That’s great, I have Y experience that is similar in the following ways.” Color commentary is more like “Haha it’s so funny that X happened to you, I can’t even imagine what that experience was like. I’ll bet you’d be totally prepared if Y (an order of magnitude more ridiculous than X) happened!”

-          Always end in a question. If she is on the fence about responding to you, the energy that it will take to figure out what to say is going to be the difference maker. Make this part easier by giving her a topic to go on.

-          Don’t invest more than two minutes emailing her unless you find her profile interesting, no matter how hot she is. If she didn’t invest the time and energy in filling her shit out, she’s not taking the dating process seriously. If you have a copy paste template, emailing these types should be its primary use.

-          Never seem rushed or over-eager to talk or meet up. You’ve lived without her your whole life, if it doesn’t work out between the two of you, you’ll keep going on. Enough said.

-          Gauge her level of investment based on the length of her emails. If her emails are longer than yours, you’re in good shape. If they’re shorter but still relatively long, you’re in good shape. If you write three paragraphs and she replies with two sentences, you have work to do.

-          Don’t try to transition to text until she seems invested, and not before two emails each. Ask her if she wants to grab a drink, and give her your number suggesting that she text you to work something out. It seems counterintuitive to give her your number rather than ask for it, but I have found it to be more effective. Some girls will text you introducing themselves, which is ideal because it puts it in their mind that they are chasing you. Others will reply back with something like “A drink sounds good, my number is…” If your timing is right, you shouldn’t have many girls just never responding again, but if you do, know that it’s because she just wasn’t that interested.

 

Texting

-          The goal of texting is to get her more emotionally invested in you prior to the date. You should be aiming for at least 40-100 texts combined between the two of you, the low end being if she’s particularly busy and unresponsive. In most cases, this will take upwards of a week, which is exactly what you want.

-          Text is the perfect medium to get all of the small talk out of the way, like what she did last weekend, how many siblings she has, how awesome the weather is, etc.

-          A good conversation starting text format: 1) Greeting 2) statement about something interesting in your life 3) question about her. Don’t worry about the 160 character limit, phones thread messages now and it’s not a big deal if it goes through as two instead of one.

-          Bust her balls occasionally, but don’t be a one trick pony. If she tries to banter battle, your options are to diffuse or escalate. Don’t try to escalate unless you are experienced at it or willing to crack a few eggs.

-          Don’t play games with text timing unless there’s a cliffhanger involved. When she responds to you, you know she is on her phone at that moment. This is going to be your best opportunity to get into a conversation with her, which is what you want. You won’t come off as needy if you have everything else on point, and hopefully there are times in your life where you actually don’t see her text until a couple of hours after it’s sent, making the delay inevitable and natural.

-          First dates should be drinks only. Having an activity for if things are going well (like a live show or a pool hall or something) is a good move, but this should not be a part of the expectation.

-          To get a date on the books, the magic phrase is “What’s your schedule like this week?” Your first conversation with her should end with an attempt to schedule a date, but I highly recommend that if you’re under the 40-100 text threshold, you sabotage this, putting it off for about a week. The right way to do this is to be busy on the days she is free, and suggest talking later in the week about scheduling something.

-          Once you have a day picked out for a date, suggest a time that makes it clear that you are meeting for after-dinner drinks.  Anything after 8pm should make this pretty clear.

-          Finding out what neighborhood she lives in makes you seem considerate. If you live in a cool neighborhood, the vast majority of your dates should be within 5 minutes of your house. If not, make it very convenient for her. Don’t meet halfway, there is no reason for both of you to travel.

-          Ultimately, you should be picking the spot, and it should seem like you were in complete control of the situation in doing so. You took the time to collect all of the relevant information, and then based on that information you made an informed decision.

My Views on Dating

Monday, September 15th, 2008

So one of the things that I expect to be talking a lot about over the course of time is dating and relationships. How to get a girlfriend, how to keep a girlfriend, what the relationship dynamics should be like, etc. Since this will be a recurring theme, I decided that I would get started with an introduction to my take on male-female dynamics and reference back to them as necessary.

By no means am I an expert, so obviously take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I do have a fair share of experience with the opposite sex, so I’ll do my best to relay my knowledge to others. I am currently in a brand new relationship after having serial dated for a while, the purpose of which I will get into in a bit.

The age old advice that you hear from people is that you should “just be yourself” when it comes to attracting the opposite sex. This is really quite true. The problem is that we tend to put on this overly nice facade that comes off as inauthentic and fake. It’s really easy to be nice to someone, and women see right through it.

When I am on a date with a woman, or talking to a woman who I find attractive, I don’t pull any punches. If they do something dumb, I make fun of it. Why? Because if she were a guy, I would make fun of it. That is part of my personality. That brings me to my first, and probably most important principle of dating:

The objective is not to get someone to LIKE you. The objective is to find someone who LIKES you.

There is no point in trying to impress a girl. I want to be myself when I am around her, if I can’t be myself, then I will never be happy in that relationship. I have a list of characteristics that I look for in a potential mate, and one of the most important ones is that she loves spending time with me and lusts for me sexually. If I meet a woman and this is not the case, then I have one of two options. I can either change into someone she likes, or find someone that likes me.

I believe in constantly trying to improve yourself by filling your life with activities you enjoy doing and taking on new experiences. As examples, I went white water rafting for the first time a few weeks ago, and loved it, and I plan on doing it again. I will be taking improv comedy classes this fall. I am going to be joining a gym (possibly a boxing gym) in the near future.

But there are certain things that I like about myself that I do not want to change. I am competitive about everything. I like intellectual discussions/debates about a number of things. I like to watch sports and action movies. I enjoy drinking alcohol from time to time. If these are things that a woman doesn’t like, it’s just not going to work between us. I would rather find someone else who it will work out with.

I mentioned before a certain set of characteristics that I look for in a woman. I have a list of characteristics that is relatively extensive that a woman must have for me to consider her as a potential long term girlfriend. In another post I might spend some time talking about some of these. How did I come up with these traits? It’s pretty simple really; I have dated a lot of women and decided what I liked and didn’t like about them. This brings me to my second principle of dating and relationships:

Date a lot of women to learn what you like. Once you have it narrowed down, make a list of what you want (the non-negotiables), and keep meeting new people until you find it. If someone does not meet your requirements, have the self-restraint to move on.

But what if the perfect girl doesn’t like me? Well as I said before, that is one of the most important characteristics that I look for in a woman. That’s not to say I will settle for a girl who likes me but doesn’t necessarily have the other traits. When I make that list, there are a number of them which are non-negotiables. This makes it easy for me to move on.

So how do I meet these women? Well, when I’m looking for a girlfriend, I take it upon myself to attempt to talk to every woman who I find attractive. I’m not going to get every woman’s number, I’m not even going to get into a conversation with everyone, but I am trying to build that romantic comedy fantasy for her that has been ingrained in her head by movies since she was five years old. How to do this is a subject for another post, but having the courage to make the move puts you ahead of a good 90+% of the guys out there.

I am also not above online dating. In fact, it’s rather a specialty of mine. My current girlfriend was met on OkCupid, and I’ve also dated a large number of women that I’ve met on Match. People always try to trash online dating, but the fact is that there is a huge variety of women online, it is essentially a cross-section of the world. Online dating, when done right, can be almost idiotically easy. The reason is that very few do it right, so when you do, you instantly stand out.

If you have ever seen an attractive woman’s inbox on Match, you will see that she has no shortage of guys competing for her attention. This automatically puts you, as a man, the disadvantage of having to chase. What you have to understand though, is that once you have the option of even 2 women, she is also in a competition as well. Don’t be shy about this fact. She will assume that your reality and her reality when it comes to dating are the same unless given a reason to believe otherwise. This brings me to my next principle:

Honesty is key. Don’t pull any punches.

This is related to my first principle about finding someone who likes you rather than trying to get someone to like you. If you are hiding information, or lying about something, you are by definition trying to get someone to like you. To rectify this, be honest. Brutally honest. If you’re dating other women, tell her when she asks. If you can’t get together with her on a Monday night because your team is playing, don’t be afraid to let her know that your commitment to your buddies is more important to you than a first date with a girl who you most likely aren’t going to like that much.

So those are some of my basic principles of dating. At some point in the near future, I will write about relationships, and why I feel that most people aren’t capable of being in a healthy relationship.

Hammer86